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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by Rim » Tue Mar 03, 2015 2:37 pm

Is it possible that you've got something enabled in the master strip or the brick wall limiter? These will affect the master meter levels.

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Post by NilsOstergren » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:16 pm

No, nothing enabled there.

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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by Rim » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:40 pm

Actually, I know what's going on here. What you're seeing is normal, because when looking at a mono track on a stereo meter, each channel will be 3dB down. This is due to the pan law. You can adjust this by picking a different pan law in the settings, but by default, a mono track appears 3dB lower in each side when going into a stereo bus. Panning it to one side or the other will make it 0dB on that side, but setting the pan pot in the middle will cause it to be 3dB down on each side.

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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by NilsOstergren » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:13 am

Thanks Rim. It works when i pan the mixdown track to one side. The Master meter shows the same levels as the original track. Can I make any changes in Settings so I don't have to pan to one side everytime I work with one mono track? Changing Pan Law does not seem to help. And can you explain why my Auria mixdown is 3 dB lower after having exported it with AudioCopy to TwistedWave in my iPad or is that a question for TwistedWave support?

EDIT: The lower levels in TwistedWave might be caused by AudioCopy. Transfering with AudioShare give correct levels in TW.

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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by Rim » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:09 pm

In all professional DAWs (including Auria), a mono track will be lower in volume in each channel when added to a stereo bus. This is due to the way panning works. The theory is since you've typically got two speakers playing your mono track, it would be louder than if only one speaker was playing it. So pan law compensates for this. The goal of pan law is so your track sounds like it was the same volume, no matter where the pan pot was set.

In Auria, you can set the pan law to Linear to avoid any reduction in volume when the pan pot is set to center. But this is not recommended when mixing, because the transition between L to R when panning will sound uneven.

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Post by NilsOstergren » Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:31 am

OK, thanks again, Rim. Forgive my ignorance. If I had known it had to do with pan laws Google might have found this explanation http://www.harmonycentral.com/articles/ ... nning-laws for me before I published my first question here :)

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Post by rickyroc » Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:40 pm

I would like to know what ipad to buy to get the best results with auria? I believe there are some memory use problems with ipad air 2. It doesn't seem practical to buy the air 1 when the 2 is suppose to be a better processor. Let me know your thoughts.

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Post by pjnord » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:16 am

Hey. Hope for a clear solution since I have cried my brain out for almost a day now.

This is hard to get in just one question, Sorry!

I did one h**** of a recording the other day. A consert containing 108 minutes of high quality performance. Back home, satisfied, tried to mix it down and export it to dropbox. Some messages about low on space, since I also tried to just export it. Took a reboot and same result. Then I hooked up itunes and removed some of the big apps on my ipad. And lucky me, did also remove Auria. (yeah, I could shoot myself) Reloaded Auria and tried several thing with no luck. Then I tried to get an import of the aif-file . Nothing in the internal maps, bur there was one in the dropbox-section. Could not find anything when I used AIF-import, but using sound import, I found it. Imported it, but there is nothing in it. It is the correct length, but no sound. Also the file size is just over 2 MB, and that would be too small for such duration. Any tip that can save me, and I will be forever greatfull

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Post by Rim » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:28 pm

Unfortunately once you delete an app, all its data is also deleted. I assume you didn't have any iCloud backups?

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Post by pjnord » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:32 pm

No, no icloud backup. But the files ported into dropbox?

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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by Rim » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:26 pm

If you did a mixdown to Dropbox, or if you used the "Save Project To Dropbox" option in Auria, then it's possible that you have a copy on Dropbox, but if this failed because of low disk space or low memory, it's hard to say if anything made it over to Dropbox. Can you look at your dropbox folder from a Mac or PC, to see if there's anything there?

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Post by Bob Amser » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:23 pm

Hi,

A question for those experts out there willing to share info... :)

I don't understand what delay / echo is for with vocals. I have only ever used reverb on vocals and I'm sure I'm missing out.

I use delay loads on my guitar (listened to a lot of Pink Floyd and U2 :lol: ) so I get how it works to create some rhythmic guitar parts, or to thicken them up, but in my research on recording more generally, I haven't really heard / read much about what you're trying to do when you add echo / delays to a vocal.

For example, when I look at a reverb, I'm thinking about whether I want the vocal to sound close up (in which case I don't add much at all) or far away (in which case I add loads). Would I use a delay when I want a 'stadium' sound to the vocals, or is it of more general use to thicken the sound up? Why would you use a delay and not a reverb? Should I use a delay and a reverb together?

Basically, any tips for someone ignorant about the subject would be greatly received. :D
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Post by Bob Amser » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:34 pm

Separate question, if I'm not being too needy :wink:

To experiment with recording for my church, rather than just the stuff I've done with my band, I had a go at a recording just done simply, and with me doing all the parts, but there's a section where I can't get the mix right. It's the instrumental middle 8 and there's a Hammond part that fights with the guitar part - I think they're both dominating the same frequencies so it sounds distorted (although It doesn't seem to properly clip on the waveform).

The obvious answer would be to lose the Hammond, but I like the lift it gives at that point. I've tried to cut a hole in the Hammond part (with pro-Q) on the frequencies the guitar seems to be using mostly, but it still sounds wrong. They're panned to opposite sides, still no joy.

If anyone's willing to have a listen and give me a view, Id be grateful. The bit I want feedback on is at 3:45, to save you listening to the whole song (I'm no singer!).
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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by richardyot » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:37 pm

Hey Bob, I'm far from being an expert, but here's my take on those questions:

delay and reverb are closely related, but one reason to use delay rather than reverb is that it can thicken a vocal without muddying the sound. Also sometimes you can use more obvious delays, like slapback delays, for creative reasons.

As for your mix issue, it might just be that one part needs to be much quieter than the other, so maybe the organ should support the guitar (and be less audible) rather than compete with it.

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Re: ASK THE RECORDING EXPERTS

Post by Bob Amser » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:02 pm

Thanks, Richard, very helpful. Now to go back to the mix...!

I'm guessing the PSP Echo is the way for me to go. I like the simplicity of plugins. Surely the missus won't notice another iTunes receipt :lol:

I guess the trick is to give it a go with the delay / echo, but I wanted to be sure it was worth it for me. Since I've been thinking about it I've been listening out for echo / delay on recorded vocals and it seems pretty common, so gotta be worth adding that to the toolkit...

Thanks again.
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